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Take away all the guns NOW!!

December 17th, 2012 Posted in The SandGram v1.0

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While we reflect today over the events Friday, I allowed myself to get agitated at one of my Cousins. It was more her friend, but I allowed that to push me into attack mode and for that, I’m sorry. So Candy, hope you understand. There is a problem out there, not with guns but with how we as a country raise our kids.

Before I start that me say that as we all fight each other over this issue, please remember the families who are about to bury their child, because, in the end it’s about that. As a Father my heart goes out to them all in terms of what they face from now until they pass.

There are many factors for how our children are being brought up that no one touches.  It’s too easy to blame the folks out in L.A., I mean Hollywood promotes these movies that are filled with just utter mass killings and we pay to see it. I was bored one night in my BOQ room and rented “Expendables 2” probably one of the worst films ever made.  I lost count after about 40 guys were shot, blown up and stabbed for no reason except to die.  Not even a great “Guy” movie at all.

That leads into the video games which aren’t the friendly PacMan types like we played as kids, it’s us against them, Taliban vs American’s. So we have a generation of kids playing Call to duty and watching these shoot up films.  No wonder we have it in our minds that killing is cool.  Kids sit on the sofa playing this crap for hours.

Of course this is the typical hype that folks like to throw out, shifting the blame from guns to what caused it.  Actually, I don’t think movies and video’s cause folks to go off the deep end, but it doesn’t help a kid grow into a productive citizen that’s for sure. 

This is a failure of the parents.  YES PARENTAL  FAILURE.  We try to raise our children in a manner that we think is good but face it; there are parents out there who have failed on this mission.  This could go on forever when you also break into the social and economic factors of say “GangBangers”shooting each other in the middle of Washington DC.

Guys like the shooter (I won’t ever say his name, may he burn in hell) had mental problems and maybe he had some issues that might have been identified years ago and enough to sequester is butt into the loony bin. I’d like to see him and others like him  sitting there leaking saliva from his mouth as he watches reruns of the Brady Bunch while popping pills daily to calm him.  Instead, he was 20, on the streets with some serious problems.  The Mom had a bunch of guns in her house. I doubt they were just lying around on the coffee table.  Did you ever stop to think that she might have had those weapons because she feared her crazy son? Too bad she didn’t have the chance to use them on this monster, it would have made a slight footnote in history vice the damage he did.

This is the perfect fear Storm as the fourth shooting in the last four years.  President Obama has spoken some lines about what he intends to do and something must be done…

I ask you what exactly needs to be done?

The shooter broke laws already on the books when he killed his Mother, stole her guns and her car and then took guns to a gun free zone.  What laws could change that? He was underage so it’s not like he could have bought the guns legally.  So what needs to be changed? Collect ALL THE GUNS in America?

I don’t see that working. You are just collecting the guns from responsible parties (I will concede that there are some wackjobs who own guns but the good ones outnumber them) and then when the bad guys show up to rob you, it’s bring a knife to a gun fight.

Really, think about it…DC is a gun free city.  You can’t own a gun there. Yet look at the stats of the number of shootings they have.  Same with Chicago.  Now that pisses me off in a weird way thinking of my Mentor, a highly decorated Army Colonel who lives in DC and he can only defend himself with a baseball bat against the armed gang bangers who like to rob the wealthy white guys homes.

Folks then say “why should you have high capacity magazines?  Why should American’s own an AR-15 or AK-47?” I mean, anti-gun folks really go nuts over this debate and don’t think you should have the ability to shoot that many rounds in a few minutes. The gun rights guys also froth at the mouth over the idea of taking them away too.  This is a subject that causes some heated arguments from the keyboard warriors out there.  Frankly some part of me agrees with that concept of why do we need to own an AK but that is up to the individual and it’s his right, but it’s back to the whole “where were the parents of all these shootings over the years?”

The truth is I could do more damage with a good Remington 30.06 sporting a nice scope that is semi-automatic just like an AR.  The difference is my shots would be deadly accurate unlike pulling the trigger and spraying and praying so commonly shown in the movies.

Most of the shooters are mental.  They are not Tea Party Guys, they aren’t NRA folks or Red Neck hillbilly’s from West VA, for the most part they are Mental period.  If you really want to get into politics, they were Democrats at least a few were registered ones.  And mental!  Does that mean all Democrats who are anti-gun should be tested? The fun part of me says yes when you read the trash guys like Bill Maher spew on a daily basis.

John Fund wrote a great piece on the realities of mass shootings you can read here and the facts in here will blow you away. How many of them were unstable, mental jackwagons who went on to do something evil?

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/335739/facts-about-mass-shootings-john-fund#

(“First, the mental-health issue. A lengthy study by Mother Jones magazine found that at least 38 of the 61 mass shooters in the past three decades “displayed signs of mental health problems prior to the killings.” New York Times columnist David Brooks and Cornell Law School professor William Jacobson have both suggested that the ACLU-inspired laws that make it so difficult to intervene and identify potentially dangerous people should be loosened. “Will we address mental-health and educational-privacy laws, which instill fear of legal liability for reporting potentially violent mentally ill people to law enforcement?” asks Professor Jacobson. “I doubt it.”)

Actually, another great piece to come out is this is “I am Adam Lanza’s Mother”

This article was heartbreaking but talks about what steps some parents need to do when their kids go nuts, beyond what a normal child would be like.  It’s back to the parents and making that hard choice.

Then you have Clayton Cramer who put this together…

http://www.fed-soc.org/publications/detail/madness-deinstitutionalization-murder

 

He has pieced together facts with sources to back them.  Well worth reading if you would like to present facts to a Rabid Anti-gun freak.  They won’t read this nor will anybody else on MSN or ABC because it doesn’t fit their agenda.  The folks at “This Ain’t Hell” one of my favorite sites also put up some great reading material you need to see…

So if you are Rabid Anti-gun person, feel free to comment but I know you will just spew hatred vice intelligent conversation.  How do I know that? Well, It already happened with a hate filled Liberal named Kim Price who said a ton of nice things to me on my cousins FB page. Oh well, I’m pretty thick skinned so they roll off my back.  Then you have Jessica (named changed to protect the crazy) who had some other choice things to say like this.  It was nice of her to apologize later for that comment but still, venom, toxic venom…

  • Jessica Boldfine It’s that important to you, huh? Well. I’m glad innocent Americans can die all across the country every year to protect your right to carry a semi automatic weapon. Hope it helps you sleep, all those 6 year old souls for your precious glock.

 

They don’t know me or my background, which actually led to some interesting back and forth chats. To them I was just another gun loving killer who would sacrifice little kids to keep my Glock and not the Marine of 27 years who has been around weapons all his life.  So I guess you can tell where I stand on the right to own a weapon.

So I’ll end my soapbox with this…hug your kids, love them and raise them with God in their hearts and do your best.  There are many families who are still sobbing endless streams of tears over the massacre on Friday by this Mental jackwagon.  If we as parents do our duty and separate our dangerous children from the masses, maybe it would have stopped about 38 of the last sixty-one shootings over the decades in our country as well as others.  As a Nation, we need to find those values we had years ago and instill them into our kids. Give them the Character to stand up for what is right and protect others. Find a moral base again. We have lost so much but where do you go to reclaim it?

S/F

Taco

 

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  1. 13 Responses to “Take away all the guns NOW!!”

  2. By Joe on Dec 17, 2012

    Taco,

    – Excellent post! You are right on the money when you suggest that PARENTAL FAILURE is at the heart of this issue, but I believe the problem is much deeper and bigger. IT IS AN EPIC FAILURE.

    First off, we have the delimna of the Single Parent or guardian. That parent may, or may not, care to supervise what their children are exposed to. As we know many what to do the right thing, but can’t because they are too busy working to make ends meet. Many more are just kids having kids and have no moral basis, or the maturity to determine what is, or isn’t suitable for minors. (Look what is on Cable or DVD that is PG13 or R that deemed suitable).

    The second major issue is the outright laziness and selfishness of many more parents. They are either too lazy or scared to enforce rules for their children. Worse are those parents who are too busy trying to be 22 again. They are more concerned with “date night” or themselves than being there for their kids. I’ve seen parents drop their kids off at swim meets and soccer games and then drive off, or go into the country club to have dinner and drinks while their kids competed. They pawn their kids off on the swim team, or other parents to give them a ride home with no concern or knowledge of what they are doing and who they are doing it with.

    My ten year old has friends whose parents have let them watch R movies. A PG rating is 10 times worse than an R rating was when I was ten.

    We have collected Smart Phones at our house for years at sleep overs and get looked at like we are evil from the kids we collect them from. I’ve had a 9 year old girl argue with me about not giving her the code to our router so she could go online with her iPod touch at my house.

    We have been surrounded, outgunned and outnumbered by the media for years.

  3. By Just John on Dec 17, 2012

    Well said, Taco.

    I would reply to “Jessica” with this: “It’s that important to you, huh? Well, I’m glad innocent Americans can die all across the country every year to protect your right to DRIVE A CAR. Hope it helps you sleep, all those 6 year old souls for your precious PRIUS.”

    I simply substituted another inanimate object that, when used irresponsibly, is capable of killing people (and kills more people every year in America than guns do). It’s a wasted effort, of course, since most anti-gun wackos base their arguments on emotion, not logic.

  4. By Charlie on Dec 17, 2012

    Taco,

    Somewhere around 103 Million gun owners didn’t do anything violent on Friday.

    Charlie

  5. By Taco Bell on Dec 17, 2012

    John,
    I agree, 44K folks would be alive if we didn’t drive and alot thinner!!
    S/F
    Taco

  6. By Taco Bell on Dec 17, 2012

    Joe,
    You are being a Parent and that is what parents do but then again I expect nothing less from the best Tactics instructor a Marine could ever have!! Merry Christmas brother!
    S/F
    Taco

  7. By Taco Bell on Dec 17, 2012

    Charlie, excellent point…and my Glock didn’t go off and kill someone, so I think I need to return it…
    S/F
    Taco

  8. By ME on Dec 18, 2012

    Taco,

    A couple of things. First, you say time and again that these events are caused by “mental” people, and do not represent all gun owners users. Okay, I buy that, and I don’t think many on the other side of the issue are calling all gun-rights fans “murderers”. However, neither are those who want more gun regulations in the US “freaks” as you term them. Tarring all with a brush you swath with vindictive paint is kind of hypocritical, isn’t it? This is hardly the “I’m right and you are wrong” kind of situation.

    Second, there is a happy medium, and the constant reference to gun regulations as an attempt to “collect all the guns in America” is disingenuous. There are over 300 million guns in this country now, with about 10 million more produced every year, many that stay here. There is a batter chance to collect every undocumented immigrant in the US as there is “collecting” those guns, that is NOT AT ALL. So to even start the conversation that way is just creating a wall, not a discussion. It is like the “stuff” the NRA put out before the election in ’08 and ’12. Warning about “gun grabs”, and all it did was show them to be a bad stereotype. But it continues here when you are willing to blame Democrats for gun violence (seriously??) but deflect any from your side.

    For a conversation to begin, the first step is to start as adults. I am not seeing much of that in the post-Newtown debate. On one side I hear people calling for teachers with guns, or, or “Put God back in schools!”, or CCW everwhere, or saying “It’s too soon!!” as we have 4 mass shootings in the last three weeks, on the other I have heard calls for huge taxes on bullets, etc. Neither calls can be considered serious.

    I do not own a gun. I know many who do. And as a Marine/AF officer with 25 years of service, I have a bit of exposure. But I also have exposure on the wrong end of a gun. I was nearly shot by a kid with a gun. I went to Columbine (long before the shooting, but Littleton is my home community). I had a classmate who’s brother was killed by another with a gun. It affects me a bit more than many with no personal connection. And to say that enough has been done to curb gun violence is not being honest.

    What is the fix? I don’t know. The shooter was not underage, he was 20. He could have bought a gun if he wanted to go through a background check, or buy from an internet private dealer without one. His mother was not so scared of him that she had no problem taking him to the range to shoot, or lock up her own weapons. Mental health is a start, but there are also civil liberties issues that have to be discussed. Gun regulation has to be discussed, because in the last 30 years it has ONLY been relaxed in the US, not strengthened. We also need to address access, training and many other myriad issues. But that cannot start if at the beginning of the conversation I am called a “freak” or “gun grabber or to be characterized as :”Rabid Anti-gun person…I know you will just spew hatred vice intelligent conversation”, because I want to have this conversation. Maybe the “rabid pro-gun” person can join in? Or is that too much to ask?

  9. By Taco Bell on Dec 18, 2012

    Mike,
    You have to be 21 to buy a gun up there so I would say that he was underage, or deem that as a correct statement. Old enough to vote democratic but not old enough to drink beer or buy a gun. You watch, it will come out in the news that he was taking some sort of antipsychotic meds, I bet ya. He just seems too crazy.

    I am thinking about the only way to fix this problem of “Strawman” buyers for gangs and mentals buying like the Va Tech shooter (may they all burn in hell) is to make it the law that if you want to sale your personal firearm, it has to be done through a dealer with a 10 dollar charge for the paperwork, that way they can run the background checks etc to make sure you fit the law.

    Would that work for you? For any of the “Rabid” anti gun folks? Really, that is the only way you can close that loophole. otherwise the underground trading of firearms will go on forever. I, would have no problem knowing that I could be selling my gun to a “Goodguy” vice a punk gangbanger (or Chairforce dude) just kidding about the AF but you know what I mean. otherwise, all the bans on rifles are the “Scary Rifle” bans and do nothing.

    What do you think about that brother?
    S/F
    Taco

  10. By ME on Dec 19, 2012

    “You have to be 21 to buy a gun up there so I would say that he was underage”

    Not really. He went to buy a long gun, but was turned back because of the background check, not the age requirement. He also could have easily gone to a gun show and bought one without a check, or gotten one on the internet.

    As I said, I think that private sales need to be changed. I also believe that training should be a requirement. Not marksmanship, safety and security.

    “Would that work for you? For any of the “Rabid” anti gun folks?”

    Would that work for me? Yes. Would that work as the ONLY correction? No. And why do you characterize those on the opposite side as “rabid”, implying out of control and out of their minds. Do you accept that there are also “rabid gun fans”? If not, I’ll simply say, “Ted Nugent.”

    It is often far simpler to label the other side than listen to them. Can you acknowledge that “we” might have a point about accessibility of guns in America?

    S/F.
    ME

  11. By Taco Bell on Dec 19, 2012

    “You have to be 21 to buy a gun up there so I would say that he was underage”
    (you are right, 21 to buy the handguns and 18 for a rifle/shotgun and he didn’t wait for the background check so that worked. He had to murder his momma for the weapons. If you buy a gun off the internet you have to have it shipped to a gun store so the background check would apply again a check would come into play that is already in effect. the gun show parking lot is the a real problem, yes I agree with that)

    Not really. He went to buy a long gun, but was turned back because of the background check, not the age requirement. He also could have easily gone to a gun show and bought one without a check, or gotten one on the internet. (point above)

    As I said, I think that private sales need to be changed. I also believe that training should be a requirement. Not marksmanship, safety and security.
    (yes, agree on the private sells need to be changed. Classes would be nice and I would endorse that. Last time I checked, my NRA chapter here offers classes in safety etc. The Boy Scouts was my first official gun safety class behind my father. Remember shooting the .22 rifles there and all the classes we had to take for that. Not sure if they still offer that, pretty sure they do. Now lets say all that was in place, would that still have stopped him from murdering his mom and stealing the guns?)

    “Would that work for you? For any of the “Rabid” anti gun folks?” (Mike You just like to bicker for the sake of it, I know you. I wouldn’t classify you as Rabid but if you would like that title that Bill Maher deserves then yes I can refer to you as that.)

    Would that work for me? Yes. Would that work as the ONLY correction? No. And why do you characterize those on the opposite side as “rabid”, implying out of control and out of their minds. Do you accept that there are also “rabid gun fans”? If not, I’ll simply say, “Ted Nugent.” (I said that in my piece, yes we have guys like Ted Nugent who is VERY vocal about his feelings on guns. You have Bill Maher, Bloomberg who is surrounded by arm guards 24/7 and the list goes on. Really it does so do you want to have a nut job rifle measuring contest? I’m sure we can list many and my list would be longer then yours.)

    It is often far simpler to label the other side than listen to them. Can you acknowledge that “we” might have a point about accessibility of guns in America? (yes, I think we have way too many guns with way too many opinions on what should be done but think that my views on private sells and training probably match those of yours. I am not for armed guards outside of schools, this isn’t Russia (who lost 186 children in one day at school) or teachers being armed (look at how the Gov’t treats pilots flying armed) but it leads to the question, would that have prevented the shooting?

    S/F.
    ME

  12. By Joe on Dec 19, 2012

    I lived in Victoria Australia when the Port Arthur massacre in Australia took place in 1996. I visited the convict settlement in Tasmania about 3 months after the shooting took place.

    Australia is a great Country, Friend and Ally! If I ever have to live anywhere in the world other than the United States I would choose Australia.

    That said, at the time Australia had some of the toughest guns laws of any western country and yet 35 people were killed and 23 wounded by Martin Bryant who had “significant mental problems”.

    What is telling is the limited response of police, their lack of firepower and the timeline to rescue the two police officers who initially responded. The shootings started sometime after 1310 and the police didn’t get called and respond until around 1332. They were forced to take cover until a SWAT team arrived 7 hours later.

    Around 9 p.m. a team from the Special Operations Group of the Tasmania Police had arrived and were eventually able to assist in removing the policemen from the ditch to safety by using the cover of darkness, riot shields and bulletproof jackets. They did not provide cover fire for fear of hitting hostages. An 18-hour standoff ensued. Bryant lived and is serving 32 life sentences.

    Some thoughts

    -Law Enforcement in any country doesn’t prevent or stop crime from occurring, they mostly react, respond to and investigate it.

    -I have an Uncle who was a victim of an armed home invasion. Although he was shot, spent months in the hospital and almost lost his leg, his gun saved his life. The police got there a minute or two after my cousin who found my uncle bleeding out on the front steps. Had he not had a gun in his house, he and my aunt both would be dead. Would the government deny my him the right to defend himself in his own home? What about his work place or at the store?

    -We cannot rely on the Government to protect us, no matter well intentioned they simply can’t be everywhere, every time.

    -Australia never had a gun culture like the US. They had extremely strict gun laws and yet this still happened. They enacted even stricter gun laws and gun buyback in 1997. Gun crime is up approximately 25% in their major cities. Australia was, and continues to be a gun free zone. Think about how many lives might have been saved if only one or two people might have been armed.

    -The United States has a gun culture and has tens of millions, if not a couple hundred million legal guns (not to mention illegal). To think that criminals or other determined (read insane) people couldn’t get semi-automatic or automatic firearms is foolish. We can’t stop the flow of illegal drugs into this country, or even illegal immigrants. Will banning guns in the United States work any better than prohibition did? What good will disarming the public do?

    -Lastly, I am for a balanced and thoughtful approach to attempt to address this problem. Are we as a country also willing to address the violent culture in Movies, Video Games and on the Computer? Are we will to seriously address mental health to include institutionalization? If we are willing to ban certain firearms are we willing to allow more citizens to open or concealed carry?

  13. By Ellen on Dec 24, 2012

    I take umbrage at Joe’s statement that the MAJOR ISSUE of mass gun killings is single parents. Do your research, most of these shooters had intact two parent homes. Yes, I am a single female parent and a responsible gun owner. Me and my kids have all taken gun safety classes and we go shooting occasionally for fun and practice. I told my kids that the only time they are to ever touch the gun(s) is under my direct supervision or unless someone has entered my home unlawfully and then they are free to shoot to kill. I have told them many times that if I ever catch them touching those guns to show off for a friend or whatever, that I WILL KILL THEM MYSELF. I will agree with lazy parenting or lack thereof. I would also go so far as to say that any home where anyone has an addiction to drugs and alcohol should not have guns in it. The main problem as I see it is that these men are weird and frustrated & have not gotten laid in years. An easier solution is to maintain a jet that can fly anywhere in the U.S. on short notice, a group of pretty young ladies on call and a 1-800 number. These shooters are always just ugly, lonely, weird guys who couldn’t get laid [Unabomber, McVeigh, Hassan, Loughner, Cho, Batman guy, Lanza etc.] Solve that problem by publicizing the 1-800 number to weirdos who are unable to get laid by normal means [these girls can be on a rotating list maintained by some federal agency somewhere and are well paid whether their services are utilized or not] and after the weirdos release their man-poison, they won’t want to shoot up schools, malls, restaurants, etc. While the geeks are busy with the foxy ladies, a couple of law enforcement dudes can enter the house and scoop up the weapons and ammunition.

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