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Marines urinate on Dead Taliban fighters…

January 12th, 2012 Posted in The SandGram v1.0

Marines urinate on Dead Taliban fighters…

That is the headline today that has the halls of the Pentagon in “Duck and Cover” mode I’m sure.  I hate to see the Boss (CMC) take a face shot over this incident.  The usual PC comments have been put out there by the PAO “this is Egregious Behavior” (you know it’s bad when they break out the big word book for something) and it will be investigated.  That is the understatement of the century…you can bet that someone (make that plural) will have their heads chopped off over this, just not the way the Taliban would handle a head chopping though.

 The first knee jerk reaction will be the banning of all camera’s, Iphones, video camera’s from theater.  Then they will make all Marines watch a new video called “Don’t piss on dead Taliwackers” and complete a climate survey how they feel about dead Taliwackers followed by a signed statement from every member of the Marine Corps that says “I did not piss on a dead Taliban fighter, nor anyone under my command and if they did, here are their names.”

To top it off, every Soldier and Marine will have to attend a “Safety War Standdown” to review all the lesson plans on Rules of War, followed by a short speech by the base JAG, topped off with a Video from Action Figure therapy group.  this video is NSFW, so don’t open this up on the company computer.

Just like after Tailhook in ’91, we had to sign those stupid statements for years and now the Grunts will have to bare this Arsepain!!!

Do I personally care about what they did? Not really and not something I would personally do.  We don’t know what these guys have been through.  Is this their sixth tour over there? Did they just lose a buddy in the firefight that day? We don’t know anything about what lead up to the incident.  Just like the photo of the Police Chief in VN shooting the guy in the head point blank.  On the face of it, horrible, but dig into what lead him up to that moment when he put a .38 to another human’s head and pulled the trigger…very interesting.

Do I think it was Egregious behavior?  Yes, this is no better then AQ hanging our contractors from the bridge in Iraq or the retards in Somalia dragging our soldier’s through the streets naked.  You have to understand that this stuff has been going on since the birth of man unfortunately.  How about all the beheadings AQ has done over the years?  Where is the condemnation over that??? You’ll never see it.  Double Standard… 

I sure have to laugh at the comments about this story on Yahoo.com …and I mean there are over 3,050 of them.  Many of them are like this which tells you what???  Mind you, these are average American’s commenting on the enemy.  They only know what they know looking at the War through a pair of reversed Bino’s.

“News Flash……….Taliban fighters get first bath in two years…….U.S. Marines provided them with shower……….Boy, were they pisssssssed.”

 Or this from a woman…” these marines killed the guys who have been trying TO KILL THEM!! dont judge what their doing while your sitting in your comfortable office, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT COMBAT IS LIKE! how bout WWII soldiers that decorated their tanks with the heads of dead jap soldiers. we train these men to be heartless killers….to see the oppisition as TARGETS…nothing more. ITS WAR PEOPLE….GROWUP!!!”

Another woman: “who gives a flying F???? they are dead, and everyone hates them including the afghans!! Maybe Karzai should be concerned at how he runs his country and how they treat women there??? We all know he is a puppet and that everyone else runs him!! he is a joke and we all know it!! :)”

I am not even cherry picking these: “What are the rules? 1. kill them – 2. make sure they are dead. 3. be nice to them.” 

This is true I’m sure: “What does KARZAI think about BEHEADING? I think he should make his BANK ACCOUNT known,and dont forget about the SWISS BANK ACCOUNTANDTHE SOUTH AMERICAN BANK ACCOUNTS. I bet he has BILLIONS of AMERICAN TAXPAYERS DOLLARS!”

 Another woman, we must have started something within the Fetish group that urinates on their partners: “If I had the chance I’d pee on em… twice.” 

And the comments just go on “First of all: US military personnel doing something like this? SHOCKING! Second of all: I don’t care much about the opinion of “decency” from an Afghan government who allows bacha bereesh (the pimping of young boys) to go unchecked.”

So, I guess you can say that the immediate drill is to “Duck and Cover” but from the looks of just the first page of comments by folks around the Country…they just don’t care and maybe this just expresses the frustrations our guys are experiencing right now. 

To the CO of those Marines, it’s not your fault, but you will hang I’m sure. To the SgtMaj, your boss will take the face shot for this incident so at least take him out to dinner. 

To the Marines out there involved, you will hang for this for being stupid and allowing your buddy to film it and not upholding the values of the Corps.  You will also be elevated to Cult status by all the other guys who wish they could do that just once for all the Chickenshit IED’s or attacks they have endured for the last ten years, although I don’t recommend this becoming the standard practice because if the Taliwackers/AQ get  ahold of your dead body (not a thought I want to happen but you can bet they will try), I hate to think of what will be put on Youtube by them. 

Now on the flip side, here is the truth behind what this video has done.  I’m not insensitive to the ramifications of how this will impact our guys or the work they have done.  I’m sure the guys who gave it all (if they could speak from beyond Arlington) or left parts there would agree that this has probably set back relations and the scope of their work completed after ten years.  So while the general public is indifferent to this video, Todd, another pilot, who just spent a year at the War College gives a great perspective to our situation.

“I’m sure I’m a little more sensitive to this kind of thing than I normally would be, after spending the last month here at the War College studying wars of insurgency, but I could not be more disheartened by this incident of colossal stupidity. Whether it was French Algeria, Peru, China, Vietnam, and now Afghanistan – history has shown that you can’t win a war against an insurgency without mobilizing the support of the people – on both sides. It is good, and necessary, to have the folks Taco points out in support of our war effort. But, if that support can’t ultimately be used to win the support of the Afghani populace, we will never win. If we had called the Taliban and asked them what we could do to help them out, besides just plain going home or giving them a nuclear weapon, their next wish would have probably been something like this incident. Usually, in a war against an insurgency, 80% of the population is initially indifferent to the insurgent cause – they will ultimately choose the side whom they believe will bring them security. The side who can win them over will ultimately win. Whoever the yahoo poster was who said that the Afghani people don’t care about these dead Taliban fighters is retarded. They may not support their cousin, friend, uncle or whomever joining the movement and they may be against the movement altogether, but nothing like seeing their dead cousin,friend,uncle’s body being pissed on to push them from neutral to being a supporter.

Interesting you brought up the strategic corporal Plow, sometimes referred to as the strategic Sergeant – I was thinking the same thing. Unfortunately, these guys were the opposite of what is usually thought of as the enlisted leader who can affect things at the strategic level, in a GOOD way. Had these guys had even an iota of strategic understanding of the war, even the slightest comprehension of the COIN manual, we wouldn’t be talking about this.

We’d all like to piss on a dead Taliban – even excluding any pee fetish stuff. And no one could question that the Taliban has done far worse to more innocent people. Unfortunately, exactly none of that matters to the strategy of winning this war.”

UPdate: I need to post this from Allen West…it says alot. http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/allen-west-marines-incident-shut-your-mouth-war-hell_616699.html

Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.), a former Army lieutenant colonel, sends THE WEEKLY STANDARD an email commenting on the Marines’ video, and has given us permission to publish it.

allenwest “I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.

“All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq?

“The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.

“As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.

Semper Fi,

Taco

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